Rocks Older Than The Universe

By Paul Nethercott

May 2012

 

How reliable is radiometric dating? We are repeatedly told that it proves the Earth to be billions of years old. If radiometric dating is reliable than it should not contradict the evolutionary model. According to the Big Bang theory the age of the Universe is 10 to 15 billion years.1 Standard evolutionist publications give the age of the universe as 13.75 Billion years. 2, 3

 

Standard evolutionist geology views the Earth as being 4.5 billion years old. Here are some quotes from popular text: “The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years.” 4 The Solar System, formed between 4.53 and 4.58 billion years ago.” 1 “The age of 4.54 billion years found for the Solar System and Earth.” 1 “A valid age for the Earth of 4.55 billion years.” 5, 6

 

How can Earth rocks be dated as being older than the Big Bang? Here are quotes from several articles taken from major geology magazines which give absolutely absurd dates.

 

 

Trillion Year Old Rocks!

These rocks from Black Hills, South Dakota were dated in 1970 giving ridiculous dates. The oldest [Trillion Years!] is 60 times older than the Big Bang explosion. The article simply says: “Anomalous age data for pegmatite minerals.7

 

 

Table 1

Table 5.

 

Rb-Sr Date

Rb-Sr Date

Sample/Mines Mineral

Mineral Type

Million Years

Billion Years

Hugo Mine

Albite

7,100

7

Hugo Mine

Apatite

900,000

900

Hugo Mine

Lithiophyllite

53,000

53

Tin Mountain

Montebraeite

36,000

36

Tin Mountain

Apatite

75,000

75

Bob Ingersoll Mine

Montebrasite

81,000

81

Bob Ingersoll Mine

Apatite

460,000

460

 

 

Rocks 18 Billion Years Old

This rock was from the Great Northern Peninsula, Newfoundland. It was dated in 1974. As the article says: “The most striking of these is the consistent pattern of anomalously high apparent ages obtained for high temperature fractions (i.e. fraction s corresponding to temperatures > 925-950°C). These anomalously high apparent ages almost certainly reflect the presence of excess radiogenic argon.” The table in the article 9 lists 11 rock samples with radical discordant dates. The first two rocks have internal ages varying between the “youngest” and “oldest” by a factor of 2000% and 1000% respectively.

 

 

Table 2

Maximum Age

Minimum Age

Difference

Difference

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Percentage

18,620

651

17,969

2,760%

 

 


 

Rocks 80 Billion Years Old!

Some of these rocks have been dated to be five times older than the Big Bang explosion! These rocks from Yucca Mountain, Nevada were dated in 2008 by U–Th–Pb dating method.

 

Table 3

Sample

Pb-206/U-238

Pb-208/Th-232

Error

Difference

Number

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Percentage

HD2059Pb4-Cc

1,738

12,900

4,040

7,963

HD2089APb1-Cc1

7,940

 

 

 

HD2089APb1-Cc2a

6,372

 

 

 

HD2089APb1-Cc2b

7,504

 

 

 

HD2089APb1-Cc2c

6,292

 

 

 

HD2089APb1-Cc3

4,423

28,600

7,700

647

HD2177Pb1-Cc

20,209

1,555

140

7,296

HD2233Pb1-Ch2

8

82,030

180,500

1,986,199

HD2233Pb2-Ch2

7

57,900

40,800

1,153,386

 

As we can see form the table below that some of the dates are almost 2 million percent discordant. That means that the dating methods can give ages for the same rock that vary by a factor of 20,000. One part of the rock is dated as being 20,000 times older than another.

 

Table 4

Sample

Difference

Sample

Difference

Number

Percentage

Number

Percentage

HD2098Pb3-Cc

1,094

HD2059Pb4-Cc

7,963

HD2074Pb2-Cc1

1,224

HD2062Pb1-Cc

12,772

HD2055Pb11-Cc

1,246

HD2074Pb1-Cc3

44,828

HD2062Pb2-Cc

1,311

HD2089APb1-Cc1

49,625

HD2055Pb12-Op

1,467

HD2089APb1-Cc2b

50,027

HD2055Pb12-Cc

1,584

HD2089APb1-Cc2c

69,911

HD2089APb2-Cc

1,970

HD2155Pb1-Cc

121,400

HD2109Pb1-Cc

2,083

HD2055Pb11-Op

195,100

HD2065Pb4-Cc

2,691

HD2233Pb2-Ch2

1,153,386

HD2177Pb1-Cc

7,296

HD2233Pb1-Ch2

1,986,199

 

 

Rocks 22 Billion Years Old

This dating was done in 1990 on rocks from the Ouzzal granite unit in Algeria. Maluski used Argon dating and it gave dates over 22 billion years old.12

 

Table 5

Sample

Maximum Age

Minimum Age

Average Age

Age Difference

 Percent

Name

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Difference

A. TEK 58 plagioclase 1

13,435

1,800

7,043

11,635

746%

B. TEK 58 plagioclase 2

8,071

2,446

6,024

5,625

329%

C. TEK 58 plagioclase 3

15,407

1,214

3,857

14,193

1,269%

D. TEK 58 plagioclase 4

10,776

1,800

4,650

8,976

598%

E. TEK 58 pyroxene

11,621

5,744

9,909

5,877

202%

F. TEK 58 biotite

4,522

1,700

2,147

2,822

266%

G. TEK 58 garnet

22,090

3,716

11,685

18,374

594%

Below we can see in table 6 some of the extremely discordant dates.

 

Table 6

A. Plagioclase 1

B. Plagioclase 2

C. Plagioclase 3

D. Plagioclase 4

E. Pyroxene

G. Garnet

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

5,062

5,008

6,045

5,360

9,150

7,361

6,027

5,410

7,995

5,564

9,276

8,311

6,303

5,712

11,804

6,424

9,564

8,906

6,489

5,739

15,407

6,452

9,684

10,232

7,492

5,892

 

7,318

9,874

10,310

9,228

5,983

 

7,689

9,899

10,790

11,783

6,453

 

10,776

9,943

11,448

13,263

6,785

 

 

10,097

11,568

13,287

6,939

 

 

10,102

11,961

13,435

7,372

 

 

10,314

12,780

 

7,779

 

 

10,521

13,750

 

8,071

 

 

10,578

14,689

 

 

 

 

10,610

16,224

 

 

 

 

10,617

19,945

 

 

 

 

10,685

20187

 

 

 

 

10,729

20,272

 

 

 

 

10,736

20,742

 

 

 

 

10,873

22,090

 

 

 

 

10,889

 

 

 

 

 

11,041

 

 

 

 

 

11,288

 

 

 

 

 

11,382

 

 

 

 

 

11,389

 

 

 

 

 

11,396

 

 

 

 

 

11,621

 

 

 

Maluski comments: "Apparent ages as old as l0 - 11 Ga are obtained between 450 and 1100 C, which implies that the excess component is widely distributed over all the sites without a preferential location. The internal age discordance is mainly due to the low amount and variability of 39Ar released at each temperature increment. This is probably because K occurs as microscopic impurities within pyroxene, the degassing of which is very irregular." 12

 

 

Volcanic Rocks 15 Billion Years Old

The article describes Rubidium-Strontium dating of volcanic rocks in the Highwood Mountains and Eagle Buttes, Montana, U.S.A. This was performed in 1994. Ages 13 greater than the Big Bang date were obtained.

 

Table 7

6.46

Billion Years Old

6.83

Billion Years Old

10.8

Billion Years Old

15.5

Billion Years Old

 

 

These extreme isotopic

“These extreme isotopic characteristics are accompanied by parent daughter ratios that give all the Highwood peridotites old model ages (Rb-Sr, 2.14-15.5 Ga; Sm-Nd, 2.78-6.83 Ga; Table 1) compared to the other ultramafic samples.” 14

 

 

15 Billion Years Old

This article 15 refers to dating of xenoliths from the Kaapvaal craton in South Africa. These rocks were dated in 1995. Pearson’s explanation is: For example, several of the peridotite Re/Os model ages calculated using measured 187-Re/ 188-Os (TM, in Table 2) either give geologically unreasonable ages or do not intersect the Bulk Earth evolution line at all. Walker et al. [14] reasoned that the highly refractory compositions of Kaapvaal peridotites could have led to complete removal of Re during formation.16

 

 

Table 8

8.5

Billion Years Old

10.2

Billion Years Old

11.1

Billion Years Old

15.6

Billion Years Old

 

 

 

Moon Rocks 28 Billion Years Old

The following dating was done in 1972. Table Nine 18 gives ages twice as old as the Big Bang explosion date. Table Ten 19 gives ages twice as old as the Moon and Solar System.

 

Table 9

Pb-207

Pb-206

Pb-207

Pb-208

Pb-206

U-238

U-235

Th-232

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

5.58

9.21

6.43

24.92

5.65

8.73

6.39

23.50

5.43

10.28

6.54

28.14

 

Table 10

Pb-207

Pb-206

Pb-207

Pb-208

Pb-206

U-238

U-235

Th-232

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

5.31

6.98

5.74

10.79

5.33

6.81

5.71

10.34

5.28

7.15

5.76

11.23

 

 

 

Rocks 23 Billion Years Old

This article describes Rubidium-Strontium dating of Precious Metal Veins of the Coeur D’Alene Mining District, Idaho. This dating 19 was done in 2002 and gave ages over 20 billion years old.

 

 

 

 

 

Table 11

Sample

Age Million

Difference

Number

Years

Percentage

858-07G

4,475

 

858-07H

1,727

159%

858-07L

7,816

 

858-07M

1,195

554%

858-07U

971

 

858-07V

2,630

171%

858-08C

1,855

 

858-08D

6,105

229%

858-08AA

3,028

 

858-08AB

588

415%

858-09D

1,490

 

858-09E

754

98%

858-09F

2,453

 

858-09G

682

259%

858-09J

719

 

858-09K

2,696

274%

858-09L

395

 

858-09M

1,465

270%

918-13A

278

 

918-13B

2,209

694%

918-13C

23,312

 

918-13D

968

2308%

918-15L

873

 

918-15M

4,291

391%

 

The samples are in pairs. Each pair is taken from the exact same location. Some dates are between two and twenty three times discordant for the one rock. The one dating method will give two different dates for the same rock! One date is twenty three times older than the younger one.

 

 

 

Conclusion

 

Even though it is commonly claimed to be absolute proof of millions of years, there are many problems with radiometric dating. The recently published “Radioisotopes & the Age of the Earth” “Earth's Catastrophic Past ” and other publications by young earth creationists shows that accepting a literal view of the Genesis creation account and a young age of the earth can be defended scientifically and old age successfully rebutted.

 

 

Exodus 20:8-11

8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shall you labour, and do all your work: 10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 


 

References

 

1              http://web.archive.org/web/20051223072700/http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html

The age of 10 to 15 billion years for the age of the Universe.

 

2              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

 

3              http://arxiv.org/pdf/1001.4744v1.pdf

Microwave Anisotropy Probe Observations, Page 39, By N. Jarosik

 

4              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

 

5              http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/190/1/205

The age of the Earth, G. Brent Dalrymple

Geological Society, London, Special Publications, January 1, 2001, Volume 190, Pages 205-221

 

6              The age of the earth, Gérard Manhes

Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 47, Issue 3, May 1980, Pages 370–382

 

7              G. H. Riley, Isotopic discrepancies in Black Hills, South Dakota, Geochemica Et Cosmochemica Acta, 1970, Volume 34, pages 721.

 

8              Vidas Stukas, 40 Ar/39ar Dating Of The Long Range Dikes, Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 1974, Volume 22, Pages 261

 

9              Reference 8, Page 60

 

M.A. Lanphere and G.B. Dalrymple.

A test of the 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum,

Earth Planetary Science Letters Volume 12 (1971), Page 359

 

10           Yuri Amelin, Natural Radionuclide Mobility, Geochemica Et Cosmochemica Acta, 2008, Volume 72, Pages 2067 – 2089

 

11           Reference 10, Pages 2080, 2081

 

12           H. Maluski, Location of extraneous argon, Chemical Geology, 1990, Volume 80, pages 201 - 204

 

13           R. W. Carlson, North Western Wyoming Craton, Earth And Planetary Science Letters, 1994,

Volume 126, Page 460

 

14           Reference 13, Page 465

 

15           D. G. Pearson, Xenoliths from the Kaapvaal Craton, Earth And Planetary Science Letters, 1995, Volume 134, Page 344

 

16           Reference 15, Page 348

 

17           G. J. Wasserburg, Three Apollo 14 Basalts, Earth And Planetary Science Letters, 1972,

Volume 14, Pages 289.

 

18           Reference 17, Page 291

 

19           Robert J. Fleck, Age and Origin of Base and Precious Metal, Economic Geology, 2002,

Volume 97, Pages 35 – 37

 

 

 

 

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