Meteorite Dating

By Paul Nethercott

May 2012

 

How reliable is radiometric dating? We are repeatedly told that it proves the Earth to be billions of years old. If radiometric dating is reliable than it should not contradict the evolutionary model. According to the Big Bang theory the age of the Universe is 10 to 15 billion years.1 Standard evolutionist publications give the age of the universe as 13.75 Billion years. 2, 3

 

Standard evolutionist geology views the Earth as being 4.5 billion years old. Here are some quotes from popular text: “The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years.” 4 The Solar System, formed between 4.53 and 4.58 billion years ago.” 1 “The age of 4.54 billion years found for the Solar System and Earth.” 1 “A valid age for the Earth of 4.55 billion years.” 5, 6

 

Evolutionists give the age of the galaxy as “11 to 13 billion years for the age of the Milky Way Galaxy.” 1, 7 Let us remember this as we look at the following dating as given in secular science journals.

 

 

History Of The Acapulco Meteorite

This meteorite was dated in 1997 by scientists 8 from France and Germany. Some of the dates 9 are older than the Solar System. We shall soon see that this is quite common for dating these rocks.

 

Table 1

Maximum Age

11,421

Million Years

Minimum Age

3,481

Million Years

Average Age

4,964

Million Years

Age Difference

7,940

Million Years

Difference

328%

 Percent

Standard Deviation

1,723

Million Years

 

Potassium Argon Dating of Iron Meteorites

This article summarised meteorite dating in 1967. 10 Even 40 years later things are no better. In the opening paragraph he states that the iron meteorite from Weekeroo Station is date at ten billion years old. He then continues: “The formation or solidification ages of iron meteorites have never been well determined.11 He then cites earlier dating which produced an age of seven billion years. 12 The author concludes with the following remark: “The ages found by us are typical of the great ages found for most iron meteorites. From these, in conjunction with the Strontium: Rubidium data of Wasserburg et al. on silicate inclusions in this meteorite, we conclude that the potassium: argon dating technique as applied to iron meteorites gives unreliable results.13

 

Table 2

Meteorite

Age

Sample

Billion Years

Neutron Activation

10.0

Stoenner and Zahringer

7.0

Muller and Ziihringer's

6.3

Wasserburg, Burnett

4.7

K-1

8.5

K-2

9.3

B-1

6.5

G-1

10.4

 

 

 

Pb Isotopic age of the Allende Chondrules

The meteorite was dated in 2007 using the 206Pb/238U dating method. 14 Over ten dates older than the age of the evolutionist age of the Solar System were produced and one was older [Ten Billion years] than the age of the galaxy. 15

 

Table 3

Maximum Age

10,066

Million Years

Minimum Age

1,799

Million Years

Average Age

4,509

Million Years

Age Difference

8,267

Million Years

Percentage Difference

559%

 Percent

Standard Deviation

1,640

Million Years

 

Rhenium-187-Osmium-187 in Iron Meteorites

Scientists from France used both 87Sr/86Sr and Rhenium-Osmium method were used to date this meteorite in 1998.16 Dates in the essay 17 of the Canyon Diablo meteorite vary from one to fourteen billion years old. There is a 1,200% difference between the youngest and oldest date obtained for the one rock.

 

 

Table 4

Meteorite

Age

Name

Billion Years

Canyon Diablo

 

Troilite 4

1.13

Leach Acetone

5.73

Leach H,O

8.31

Troilite dissolved

10.43

Metal 1

13.7

 

Ar-39/Ar-40 Dating of Mesosiderites

This was dated in 1990 by Scientists from the NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas.18 All of the eleven meteorites dated gave ages older than the Solar System and three dated as being as old, or even older than the evolutionist age of the galaxy. 19 According to one table the supposed true age is just 3.5 billion years old. 20

 

Table 5

Meteorite

Maximum

Minimum

Age Difference

Percentage

Name

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

Difference

1. Emery

9.08

3.31

5.77

274%

2. Estherville

13.96

3.18

10.78

438%

3. Hainholz

5.48

1.55

3.93

353%

4. Lowicz

9.93

2.92

7.01

340%

5. Morristown

7.92

3.60

4.32

220%

6. Mount Padbury

5.52

3.49

2.03

158%

7. Patwar Basalt

6.14

1.80

4.34

341%

8. Patwar Gabbro

8.43

2.67

5.76

315%

9. QUE-86900

10.92

3.24

7.68

337%

10. Simondium

9.17

3.27

5.90

280%

11. Veramin

13.13

2.71

10.42

484%

 

40Ar-39Ar Chronology

Dated in 2009 by scientists 21 from Germany and Russia, these meteorite samples gave astounding results. Many dates were older than the evolutionist age of the Solar System, older than the galaxy and older than the Big Bang. 22 Most age results were hundreds or thousands of percent discordant.

 

Table 6

Sample

Maximum

Minimum

Age Difference

 Percent

Name

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Difference

Table A01. Dhofar 019 whole rock

11,679

737

10,942

1,584%

Table A02. Dhofar 019 maskelynite

10,521

818

9,703

1,286%

Table A03. Dhofar 019 pyroxene

10,730

804

9,926

1,334%

Table A04. Dhofar 019 olivine

10,487

1,778

8,709

589%

Table A05. Dhofar 019 opaque

14,917

4,420

10,497

337%

Table A06. SaU 005 whole rock

7,184

568

6,616

1,264%

Table A07. SaU 005 glass

6,235

3,247

2,988

192%

Table A08. SaU 005 maskelynite

7,432

1,344

6,088

552%

Table A10. SaU 005 olivine

13,979

3,839

10,140

364%

Table A11. Shergotty whole rock

8,542

1,112

7,430

768%

Table A15. Zagami whole rock

6,064

94

5,970

6,451%

Table A16. Zagami maskelynite

5,733

238

5,495

2,408%

Table A18. Zagami opaque

7,707

290

7,417

2,657%

Table A9. SaU 005 pyroxene

12,845

1,354

11,491

948%

 

 

 


 

Shocked Meteorites: Argon-40/Argon-39

Dated in 1997 by scientists 23 from Germany and France, these meteorite samples gave astounding results also. Many dates were older than the age of the Solar System, older than the galaxy and older than the Big Bang. 24 Most age results that were hundreds or thousands of percent discordant.

 

Table 7

Sample

Maximum

Minimum

Difference

 Percent

Name

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Difference

A. Rose City (H5/S6) host rock

4,766

193

4,573

2,469

B. Rose City (H5/S6) melt

4,529

2,126

2,403

213

C. Rose City (H5/S6) host rock #1

3,876

231

3,645

1,678

D. Rose City (H5/S6) host rock #2

3,259

293

2,966

1,112

E. Travis County (H5/S4) whole rock

3,614

295

3,319

1,225

F. Yanzhuang (H6/S6) host rock

5,598

65

5,533

8,612

G. Yanzhuang (H6/S6) melt fragment

10,217

1,902

8,315

537

H. Yanzhuang (H6/S6) melt vein

7,016

1,314

5,702

534

I. Alfianello (L6/S5) whole rock

3,470

968

2,502

358

J. Bluff (L6/S6) host rock

13,348

506

12,842

2,638

K. Bluff (L6/S6) melt

3,773

554

3,219

681

L. Mbale (L5-6) whole rock

3,531

466

3,065

758

M. McKinney (L4/S4-5) whole rock

1,821

499

1,322

365

N. Ness County (L6/S6) host rock #I

5,052

987

4,065

512

O. Ness County (L6/S6) host rock #2

6,668

1,997

4,671

334

P. Paranaiba (L6/S6) host mk #I

3,332

453

2,879

736

Q. Paranaiba (L6/s6) host rock #2

5,593

3,110

2,483

180

R. Taiban (L5/S6) host rock

2,845

492

2,353

578

S. Taiban (L5/S6) melt

1,435

156

1,279

920

T. Walters (L6/S4) host rock

3,452

1,592

1,860

217

U. Walters (L6/S4) melt

4,074

2,026

2,048

201

V. Beeler (LU/S4) host rock #I

6,466

798

5,668

810

W. Beeler (LL6/S4) host rock #2

6,609

1,491

5,118

443

X. ALHA 8101 1 (eucrite) clast

3,818

375

3,443

1,018

Y. ALHA 8101 1 (eucrite) melt

2,827

244

2,583

1,159

 

Potassium-Argon age of Iron Meteorites

If we compare the dates below with the previous two tables [Tables 6 and 7] we see that dating done on meteorites has not improved in fifty years! The dates below [Table 8] were dating done in 1958 by scientists from Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, New York.25 These dates 26 are just as stupid as the previous two tables. The choice of 4.5 billion years as an “absolute” value is purely and arbitrary choice.

 


 

Table 8

Meteorite

Age

K-Ar Dating

Billion Years

Mt. Ayliff

6.9

Arispe

6.8

H. H. Ninninger

6.9

Carbo

8.4

Canon Diablo I

8.5

Canon Diablo I

6.9

Canon Diablo I

6.6

Canon Diablo I

5.3

Canon Diablo II

13

Canon Diablo II

11

Canon Diablo II

10.5

Canon Diablo II

12

Toluca I

5.9

Toluca I

7.1

Toluca II

10

Toluca II

10.8

Toluca II

8.8

 

The Allende and Orgueil Chondrites

This rock was dated in 1976 by scientists from the United States Geological Survey, Denver, Colorado. 27 Six were dated as being over ten billion years old. 28 Two were dated as being as old as the Big Bang explosion. 28Fifty three dates were over five billion years. 28 Below [Tables 9 and 10] we can see the strong discordance between the 208Pb/232Th and 206Pb/238U dating methods

 

Table 9

Pb-208/Th-232

Maximum Age

14.40

Billion Years

Minimum Age

4.81

Billion Years

Average Age

6.40

Billion Years

Age Difference

9.59

Billion Years

Difference

299.38%

 Percent

Standard Deviation

3.37

Billion Years

 

 

Table 10

Pb-206/U-238

Maximum Age

9.86

Billion Years

Minimum Age

3.91

Billion Years

Average Age

6.02

Billion Years

Age Difference

5.95

Billion Years

Difference

252.17%

 Percent

Standard Deviation

1.45

Billion Years

 

 

 

 

 

Precise U-Pb dating of Chondrites

This dating was done in 2005 by scientists from USA and Canada. 29 Five dates were over five billion years old. 30

 

Table 11

Maximum Age

6,473

Million Years

Minimum Age

4,249

Million Years

Average Age

4,675

Million Years

Age Difference

2,224

Million Years

Difference

152%

 Percent

 

U–Pb Ages of Angrites

This dating was done in 2007 by scientists from Australia and Canada.31 Eight dates were older than the evolutionist age of the Solar System.32

 

Table 12

Sample

Pb-206/U-238

Name

Million Years

Angra dos Reis

 

4W3

5,535

5W3

5,658

Lewis Cliff 86010

 

10W3a

6,072

11W3

6,625

D’Orbigny

 

15R

4,842

16Ra

4,893

17R

4,695

18R

4,972

19R

5,080

20R

4,957

21W3

5,471

22W3

5,291

23W3

5,568

 

 

Argon Diffusion Properties

Dating done in 1980 of various meteorites gave many discordant values.32 Six were dated as older than the Solar System. 33

 

Table 13

Meteor's

Maximum

Minimum

Percentage

Name

Billion Years

Billion Years

Difference

Wellman

5.2

3.737

139%

Wickenburg

3.005

0.568

529%

Shaw

5.15

4.17

123%

Louisville

5.5

0.51

1,078%

Arapahoe

9.71

0.89

1,091%

Farmington

3.7

0.511

724%

Lubbock

9.4

0.12

7,833%

Orvinio

8.78

0.764

1,149%

 

U-Th-Pb Dating of Abee E4 Meteorite

This dating was done in 1982 by scientists from the NASA, Johnson Space Center, Houston Texas and the U.S. Geological Survey, Denver, Colorado.35 The two table below [Table 14, 15] are a summary of Argon dating done on different meteorite samples.36 Both sample record dates older than the evolutionist age of the solar system. The original article has undated 207Pb/206Pb ratios. If we run the through Isoplot 37 we find the ratios 38, 39 give the results in tables 16 and 17. All are much older than the evolutionist age of the solar system.

 

Table 14

Abee clast 2, 2, 05

Maximum Age

7,200

Million Years

Minimum Age

3,990

Million Years

Average Age

4,640

Million Years

Age Difference

3,210

Million Years

Difference

180%

 Percent

Standard Deviation

840

Million Years

 

Table 15


Abee clast 3, 3, 06

Maximum Age

8,900

Million Years

Minimum Age

3,580

Million Years

Average Age

4,610

Million Years

Age Difference

5,320

Million Years

Difference

248%

 Percent

Standard Deviation

1,360

Million Years

 

 

Table 16

Meteorite

Pb-206/207

Pb-206/207

Name

Ratio

Age

Abee 1

1.0992

5,370

 

1.0945

5,364

 

1.0947

5,364

 

1.0330

5,283

 

 

Abee 2

1.1000

5,371

 

1.0966

5,367

 

0.8958

5,082

 

 

Abee 3

1.0976

5,368

 

1.0967

5,367

 

1.0708

5,333

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Table 17

Meteorite

Pb-207/206

Pb-207/206

Name

Ratio

Age

Abee 1

1.0993

5,370

 

1.1005

5,372

 

1.0994

5,370

 

 

 

Abee 2

1.1005

5,372

 

1.0991

5,370

 

 

 

Abee 3

1.0999

5,371

 

1.0993

5,370

 

 

 

Indarch

1.1005

5,372

 

 

 

St. Sauveur

0.7015

4,734

 

 

 

Canyon Diablo

1.1060

5,379

 


 

39Ar/40Ar Ages of Eucrites

These samples were dated in 2003 by scientists from the NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas, and the Lockheed-Martin Corporation, Houston, Texas.40 Ten of the meteorites were dated as being over five billion years old. 41

 

Table 18

Meteorite

Maximum

Minimum

Difference

 Percent

Sample

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Difference

A. QUE 97053,8 

9,669

3,749

5,920

257%

B. GRA 98098,26 WR

7,008

3,239

3,769

216%

C. PCA - 82502,81

5,431

3,300

2,131

164%

D. PCA - 91007,26

4,460

1,560

2,900

285%

E. Caldera

4,493

2,819

1,674

159%

F. Asuka-881388,55

4,853

3,250

1,603

149%

G. Asuka-881467,42

4,465

202

4,263

2,210%

H. GRO - 95533,7

4,096

2,823

1,273

145%

I. QUE - 97014,5

4,553

2,947

1,606

154%

J. Moama

4,484

866

3,618

517%

K. EET - 87520

5,481

2,004

3,477

273%

L. Moore County

6,742

1,827

4,915

369%

M. Serra de Mage

6,100

499

5,601

1222%

N. EET -87548

3,674

1,738

1,936

211%

O. ALH -85001,32

4,754

3,097

1,657

153%

P. Piplia Kalan

4,284

162

4,122

2644%

Q. Sioux County

4,513

2,189

2,324

206%

R. Asuka-87272,49

3,652

342

3,310

1067%

S. Macibini Glass

5,788

2,621

3,167

220%

T. QUE - 94200,13

3,724

3,169

555

117%

U. EET - 87509,24

7,496

4,026

3,470

186%

V. EET - 87509,71

4,449

3,558

891

125%

W. EET -87509,74

4,645

873

3,772

532%

X. EET - 87531,21

4,176

3,301

875

126%

Y. EET - 87503,53

5,209

3,568

1,641

145%

Z. EET - 87503,23

5,324

2,294

3,030

232%

 

Argon-39/Argon-40 Ages

These samples were dated in 2003 by scientists from the NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas, and the Lockheed-Martin Corporation, Houston, Texas.42 The Monahans chondrite and halite was dated in 2001 as being over eight billion years old. 43

 

Table 19

Maximum Age

8,058

Million Years

Minimum Age

3,899

Million Years

Average Age

4,474

Million Years

Age Difference

4,159

Million Years

Difference

206%

 Percent

 

 

 

Rb-Sr Ages Of Iron Meteorites

These samples were dated in 1967 by the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, California.44 Even after 40 years of research and the massive improvement in laboratory equipment and computer technology, things today are just as bad as back then! Fourteen of the dates are five billion years or more. 45

 

Table 20

Meteorite

Age

Rb-Sr Dating

Billion Years

Four Corners AM 1

8.4

 

9.3

 

9.1

 

9.1

 

8.5

 

8.2

Four Corners AM 2-B1

5.0

 

5.1

 

4.8

Four Corners AM 2-B6

5.0

Four Corners H-1

5.0

Four Corners H-3

4.9

Four Corners N-1

5.2

Linwood H-B1

5.1

Odessa N1-8

4.9

 

4.8

Toluca N-A3

5.0

 

4.7

 

4.9

 

4.9

Colomera D6

5.1

 


 

40-Ar / 39-Ar Ages of Allende

Scientist from the Max-Planck-Institute, Heidelberg, Germany, dated these samples in 1980. 46 Seven samples were dated as being over five billion years old. 47

 

Table 21

Sample

Maximum

Minimum

Difference

Percentage

Name

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Difference

Sample 01

4,455

2,452

2,003

181%

Sample 02

5,067

3,027

2,040

167%

Sample 03

4,919

4,092

827

120%

Sample 04

4,939

4,363

576

113%

Sample 05

4,691

2,248

2,443

208%

Sample 06

4,943

4,102

841

120%

Sample 07

4,835

4,166

669

116%

Sample 08

4,776

4,207

569

113%

Sample 09

5,004

3,682

1,322

135%

Sample 10

4,505

1,871

2,634

240%

Sample 11

4,707

3,631

1,076

129%

Sample 12

5,641

4,330

1,311

130%

Sample 13

4,549

4,396

153

103%

Sample 19

5,590

4,110

1,480

136%

Sample 20

5,812

4,367

1,445

133%

Sample 21

5,784

4,256

1,528

135%

Sample 23

7,460

3,967

3,493

188%

 

The Fossil LL6 Chondrite

These meteorite fragments were dated in 2010 by scientists from Australia, South Africa, England and Finland. 48 Some dates are over 4,000 percent discordant. 49The oldest dates are as old as the evolutionist age of the galaxy. 49

 

Table 22

Sample

Maximum Age

Minimum Age

Age Difference

 Percent

Name

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Difference

A

2,065

164

1,902

1,263%

B

2,849

924

1,925

308%

C

2,043

177

1,867

1,157%

D

7,119

174

6,945

4,082%

E

3,889

249

3,640

1,563%

F

11,250

5,475

5,775

205%

 

 

 

 


 

K/Ar Age Determinations of Iron Meteorites

This was dated in 1968 and produced ages between 1.5 and 7.4 billion years. 50 Eight dates were older than the age of the Solar System. 51 Comparing dating forty years ago with the latest dating techniques shows no improvement.

 

Table 23

Meteorite

Maximum

Minimum

Difference

Percentage

K-Ar Dating

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

Difference

Carthage 527

6.25

3.65

2.60

171.23%

Odessa 485

7.40

4.20

3.20

176.19%

Tombigbee River 602

6.35

4.85

1.50

130.93%

 

 

The Peace River Shocked M Chondrite

The meteorite was dated by scientists from the Physics Department, Sheffield University, United Kingdom. 52 The dates listed in the original article 53 are much older than the evolutionist age of the solar system. This was done in 1988. If you compare table 23 and table 24 in my essay you will see that after 20 years of research the dating is just as bad as day one.

 

Table 24

Sample

Maximum

Minimum

Difference

 Percent

Name

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Difference

TABLE 1A

3,176

190

2,986

1672%

TABLE 1B

5,006

422

4,584

1186%

TABLE 2

6,130

950

5,180

645%

TABLE 4

2,515

500

2,015

503%

TABLE 5

7,100

510

6,590

1392%

 

 

Ar-39/Ar-40 Dating of IAB Iron Meteorites

In 1979 this dating was carried out by the Department of Physics, University of California, Berkeley.54

One of the meteorites was dated at almost ten billion years old. 55

 

Table 25

Maximum Age

9,500

Million Years

Minimum Age

4,460

Million Years

Average Age

5,161

Million Years

Age Difference

5,040

Million Years

Difference

213%

 Percent

Standard Deviation

1,753

Million Years

 


 

Antarctic LL-Chondrites

This sample as dated in 1990 by the Department of Earth Sciences, Faculty of Science, Kobe University, Japan.56 Some were dated as being older than the evolutionist age of the Solar System.57

 

Table 26

Maximum Age

7,330

Million Years

Minimum Age

3,110

Million Years

Average Age

4,410

Million Years

Age Difference

4,220

Million Years

Difference

235%

 Percent

Standard Deviation

950

Million Years

 

 

Single grain (U-Th)/He ages

This sample as dated in 2003 by the Department of Earth and Planetary Science, University of California, Berkeley. 58 The dating of one rock produced dates that varied by over 300 percent. 59

 

Table 27

Maximum Age

4,909

Million Years

Minimum Age

1,452

Million Years

Average Age

4,091

Million Years

Age Difference

3,457

Million Years

Difference

338%

 Percent

 

 

Resolution Reveals New Problems

A joint paper by scientist from Australia, USA, Denmark and France. 60 It discusses why there is discord between dating done on meteorite samples. Below is a list of the five major points discussed in the article. 61

 


 

Table 28

Potential problem

Level of awareness and suggested actions

1

1

Presence of non-radiogenic Pb of unknown

isotopic composition.

Recognized by most of the community.

The most important and common problem of all.

Better methods for removal of non-radiogenic Pb are required.

2

2

Deviations from closed system evolution

 (loss of Pb, gain or loss of U).

Requires monitoring U–Pb concordance and studying

distribution of U and radiogenic Pb.

Important and common.

3

3

Mis-identification of the processes that start or

reset the isotopic clocks.

Requires studying distribution of U and radiogenic Pb,

improving experimental reference

Important and common.

data set for element migration caused by diffusion,

alteration and shock, and linking isotopic dating

to the studies in mineralogy and petrology of meteorites.

4

4

Analytical problems (fractionation, instrument-specific etc.) and blank subtraction.

Problems are widely recognized.

Ongoing analytical developments help to reduce them.

Important.

5

5

Fractionation of radiogenic Pb isotopes induced

by leaching of alpha recoil tracks.

Recognized by some ‘‘terrestrial” geochronologists, less known to meteoriticists.

Potentially important.

Detailed experimental studies are required to understand the nature and extent of fractionation.

 

Fission-Track Ages Of Four Meteorites

Six different meteorites were dated in 1976 by scientists from the Enrico Fermi Institute and Department of Chemistry, University of Chicago, Chicago, Illinois.62 The dates [Table 29] varied by almost one thousand percent! 63 If we look at table 30 we can see the four methods used [Fission Track, Potassium-Argon, Uranium-Helium and Rubidium-Strontium] and the discordance between them. 63

 

Table 29

Sample

Maximum Age

Minimum Age

Age Difference

 Percent

Name

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

Difference

Bondoc

1.30

0.14

1.16

929%

Mincy

3.93

1.50

2.43

262%

Nakhla

4.40

0.77

3.63

571%

Serra

2.70

0.54

2.16

500%

Washougal

4.60

4.00

0.60

115%

Allende

4.50

3.60

0.90

125%

 

 


Table 30

Meteorite

Fission Track

K-Ar

U-He

Rb-Sr

Name

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

Billion Years

Bondoc

0.14

1.30

0.60